tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post1976937563004393658..comments2024-03-26T07:37:54.729+00:00Comments on Confessions of a Ci-Devant: February 10th, 1542: Catherine Howard goes to the TowerGareth Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-59691836885523112772011-05-01T16:39:50.177+01:002011-05-01T16:39:50.177+01:00Hi Marilyn,
The story of the gifts to the Countes...Hi Marilyn,<br /><br />The story of the gifts to the Countess are true. They're attested to in her household expenses, I believe. In terms of where to find a reliable account of them, I'd look in the relevant chapters of Alison Weir and Antonia Fraser's two studies of Henry VIII's queens. Although if memory serves me correctly, Weir doesn't have any footnotes for that edition.Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-87834452760237739122011-05-01T13:20:38.313+01:002011-05-01T13:20:38.313+01:00Hi Gareth
Enjoyed reading your piece on Katherine...Hi Gareth<br /><br />Enjoyed reading your piece on Katherine Howard. For some time I have been researching Norfolk House in Lambeth, where she had her romance with Derham, with the view to presenting the disaster that followed from the point of view of the rest of the inmates, especially the Dowager Agnes Tilney.<br /><br />I have read before that Katherine sent gifts of warm clothes to the Marilyn Rhttp://www.queens-haven.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-82336622550329693022011-03-12T10:27:10.184+00:002011-03-12T10:27:10.184+00:00Hi Gareth, again on this point; you know I was a s...Hi Gareth, again on this point; you know I was a staunch advocate of the c.1524 birth date, but I must say that I now think c. 1520 is more likely. For one thing, Katherine's youth was remarked upon by all who knew her; however, Jane Seymour had been referred to in February 1536 as 'a young lady' - she was actually 27 or 28 - and Anne Boleyn was also called 'young' in 1529 - IConornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-63271044621828218742011-02-13T21:32:29.841+00:002011-02-13T21:32:29.841+00:00Thanks, Conor. Catherine's birth is confusing ...Thanks, Conor. Catherine's birth is confusing and there are far fewer signposts than there are for Anne Boleyn's or Jane Seymour's. I think 1523 is a good estimated date, as long as it's treated as such. Given Marillac's comments on her extreme youth, I don't think she was born earlier than 1522. MAYBE 1521 at a stretch, but my money is on 1523, for what it's worth.Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-54977623957866988542011-02-13T16:39:56.970+00:002011-02-13T16:39:56.970+00:00Gareth, excellent post again. Out of interest, do ...Gareth, excellent post again. Out of interest, do you believe 1521 is a likely date of birth for Katherine? While writing an article on her birth - fully examining the dates between 1518 and 1525 - I was strongly persuaded that 1521 might be a very likely date for Katherine being born in. Either that or 1523-4 seems the likeliest.Conornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-30914005686862927682011-02-12T16:09:59.680+00:002011-02-12T16:09:59.680+00:00Thanks, Tubbs.
Elena Maria, I was something of a ...Thanks, Tubbs.<br /><br />Elena Maria, I was something of a fan of Henry IV until I went back to look at his life in more depth and, agreed, his treatment of Richard II seems pretty inexcusable when looked at properly.Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-10619213227503618012011-02-12T16:04:05.197+00:002011-02-12T16:04:05.197+00:00Thanks, Tubbs!Thanks, Tubbs!elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-20229665638280008292011-02-12T16:03:44.740+00:002011-02-12T16:03:44.740+00:00Actually, I do think that The Wind that Shakes the...Actually, I do think that The Wind that Shakes the Barley contains a lot of Marxist propaganda, which of course is why it won at Cannes.<br /><br />Interesting history of the Syon nunnery! I never really cared for Henry IV, not after what he did to Richard II.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-47184838307488849492011-02-12T01:56:57.472+00:002011-02-12T01:56:57.472+00:00Gareth and Elena Maria - now I know why I love you...Gareth and Elena Maria - now I know why I love you both. It might be something called "civil discourse." Whatever it is, it is rare in the blogosphere.tubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272003035464034763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-75250379237303501442011-02-11T16:22:50.840+00:002011-02-11T16:22:50.840+00:00Dellulah, there is still some debate even today. T...Dellulah, there is still some debate even today. The 1525 date relies entirely on the fact that Catherine wasn't mentioned in her grandfather's will of 1524, but was in her grandmother's in 1527. However, girls often weren't mentioned in the wills of male family members. I tend to think about 1523 is probable for Catherine's birth because it fits with the comments made about Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-63599604009381534122011-02-11T08:47:30.677+00:002011-02-11T08:47:30.677+00:00Hello, you mention that Katherine was not older th...Hello, you mention that Katherine was not older than eighteen or nineteen in 1541, in your opinion, do you believe that she was born in 1522-1523?<br />It's very intriguing, for it seems the older generation argue passionately for Katherine to have been born in between 1519-1521, whereas modern writers tend to believe she was more likely born in 1525.Delullah Faiznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-56350149082742220552011-02-11T04:26:59.976+00:002011-02-11T04:26:59.976+00:00so young =(
-anonymous public confessionsso young =(<br /><br />-<i><a href="http://public-confessions.blogspot.com/" alt="public confessions" rel="nofollow">anonymous public confessions</a></i>Public Confessionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801201831932074614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-40175439785441040552011-02-11T03:06:13.689+00:002011-02-11T03:06:13.689+00:00Speaking of black legends, how was "The wind ...Speaking of black legends, how was "The wind that shakes the barley"? :)<br /><br />Haha, you are entirely right about the Bridgettines not usually being celebrations to a human furnace. The Syon nunnery is slightly different. It was founded by a donation made solely by Henry IV and in the period he was a widower, between Mary du Bohun's death in childbed and his marriage to Joanna,Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-40219152730123306622011-02-11T02:46:56.932+00:002011-02-11T02:46:56.932+00:00What a moving account. Just brilliant. I truly fee...What a moving account. Just brilliant. I truly feel sorry for Catherine. She was so young.<br /><br />Now was the monastery of Syon REALLY founded to celebrate people getting burned at the stake? That sounds a bit like a black legend to me. I mean, Bridgettine monasteries were founded all over the place and their establishment had little or nothing to do with people getting roasted alive. 8(elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.com