tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post6145682933578159229..comments2024-03-11T23:34:51.221+00:00Comments on Confessions of a Ci-Devant: May 17th, 1536: The Deaths on Tower HillGareth Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-49692121157290435222013-05-21T15:03:44.096+01:002013-05-21T15:03:44.096+01:00Consider Life and death: 500 years or so have gone...Consider Life and death: 500 years or so have gone bye, 500 years give or take a few; where are they all now, Henry VIII, Thomas More, John Fisher, these young boys, Anne.<br />We all must come before the Just Throne of God and see, hear and live all the hurt or good we placed on others, then Heaven or Hell. <br />What does a few more or less years of vain glory or brave suffering really matter.<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-85495376419702362152011-05-19T15:36:17.499+01:002011-05-19T15:36:17.499+01:00Yes, he was egotistical. Vain, I'm not sure ab...Yes, he was egotistical. Vain, I'm not sure about, because it was a requirement of the job. Was Elizabeth vain, because she set up an elaborate front? Public and private were rigorously separated at this time, for those that could afford it. There are so few accounts of Henry in private moments, that we can't be sure. Not a Nice Man, to be sure, but that's not a requirement of a Good lynneconnollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687025766573756077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-31011659119104018452011-05-18T22:10:35.001+01:002011-05-18T22:10:35.001+01:00Lynne, thanks for your comments. I've heard th...Lynne, thanks for your comments. I've heard the argument before, but suggesting that people were left indifferent by deaths such as these simply because they knew of the risk factor of entering into a life at Court seems to me a bit like saying that no-one should be surprised when someone dies sky-diving. Wyatt's eulogy to the dead man came from a life-long courtier. But I take your pointGareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-54791758213461822732011-05-17T21:42:39.140+01:002011-05-17T21:42:39.140+01:00It is perhaps dangerous to put today's expecta...It is perhaps dangerous to put today's expectations and emphasis on the individual on yesterday's people.<br />The men executed that day knew they were going to a "better place." They also knew that by entering the volatile English court, they were gambling, and they knew their lives could be the ultimate price.<br />Anne's downfall probably began in January 1536, with the lynneconnollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687025766573756077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-60575486838705867052010-05-19T02:40:22.971+01:002010-05-19T02:40:22.971+01:00Somehow the events of May 17th seem even worse in ...Somehow the events of May 17th seem even worse in the re-telling than the story of May 19th. The grimness and horror of the day doesn't really lose its impact to shock.<br /><br />Darling, thank you very much and I completely agree! As you know :)Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-35575133670934261912010-05-18T21:26:33.791+01:002010-05-18T21:26:33.791+01:00Darling you are, as ever, welcome to mention my na...Darling you are, as ever, welcome to mention my name in your blog whenever you like ;) The thing which strikes me as saddest, really (after the deaths, of course) is that they couldn't even declare their innocence at the gallows, for fear of what would happen to families/lovers. Denying them the chance to protest the truth even at the end. But then we've had this conversation before.Laura Bradleyhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=36802092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-48733546384016542022010-05-18T17:13:48.880+01:002010-05-18T17:13:48.880+01:00"By this stage, the scaffold was awash with b..."By this stage, the scaffold was awash with blood and the truncated remains of Rochford and Norris. The executioner, unusually, was by now weeping – either out of shock at the bloody incompetence of Rochford’s beheading or at witnessing the two very brave deaths he had just seen."--the horror of the executioner! As you say, it's been an awfully bloody day when the executioner is Stephanie A. Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796489639420491857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-75499649795246537022010-05-18T05:19:43.499+01:002010-05-18T05:19:43.499+01:00Goodness...how utterly gruesome. Watching all this...Goodness...how utterly gruesome. Watching all this must have been like dying over and over again for Anne.Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18230268418171628594noreply@blogger.com