tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post6748494161111830877..comments2024-03-26T07:37:54.729+00:00Comments on Confessions of a Ci-Devant: "The Creation of Anne Boleyn" (review)Gareth Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-64563655085507317822015-09-13T20:45:32.641+01:002015-09-13T20:45:32.641+01:00I have been reading your blog all day. I love it, ...I have been reading your blog all day. I love it, and can really appreciate all the time you have put into researching things. Thanks! Bridgett Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605351271399300664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-73679210807440216532013-04-26T15:19:05.090+01:002013-04-26T15:19:05.090+01:00I will definitely consider reading the book, but t...I will definitely consider reading the book, but that makes sense Gareth. I have to say, Warnicke has received a very bad press for her arguments (probably also because they've been so influential for the likes of Philippa Gregory); and I agree with your review on Amazon: this is a bit unfair since parts of her book are excellent, particularly, I believe, her work on Anne's family.Conorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815745211426638820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-52112461840909233042013-04-18T01:57:13.493+01:002013-04-18T01:57:13.493+01:00It is an excellent read. Bordo's point in rega...It is an excellent read. Bordo's point in regards the Bernard book is that in comparison to Warnicke's it was not critiqued in the same way by peers who were not in direct competition with Bernard or working on exactly the same topic. Ives criticized Bernard for his arguments, but no other academic criticized him for his source work or use of the evidence, when they had been extremely Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-12699103276238558162013-04-16T16:27:06.012+01:002013-04-16T16:27:06.012+01:00This book looks great - I'll have to read it.
...This book looks great - I'll have to read it.<br /><br />However, I must query one thing - the bit about no academic rigorously scrutinising G. W. Bernard's arguments. This is slightly incorrect, for I read a review written by Eric Ives of Bernard's book, I believe published either last year or in 2011, and he was very critical of Bernard's arguments, and I finished the review Conorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815745211426638820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-44131322097065211222013-03-11T07:42:17.126+00:002013-03-11T07:42:17.126+00:00I immediately ordered the book as well as G.W. Ber...I immediately ordered the book as well as G.W. Bernard's after reading your review. I am looking forward to reading both. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10214605737357158150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-22688528699540473012013-03-07T14:50:24.970+00:002013-03-07T14:50:24.970+00:00Yes, it's really important to remember that Ch...Yes, it's really important to remember that Chapuys was not writing "history"; he was acting as a conduit between the english court and Charles and saw no conflict between his role as ambassador and advocating for Katherine/smearing Anne, or manipulating events to serve his ends. He didn't see anything "wrong" in it, indeed, the very discipline of "history" Susan Bordohttp://www.thecreationofanneboleyn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-66267237750924547422013-03-06T12:46:07.939+00:002013-03-06T12:46:07.939+00:00More people read fiction than read fact. I think t...More people read fiction than read fact. I think that's a fact (if you pardon the pun). A lot of people who read fiction are drawn to learning the facts, but many more don't bother.<br />I think fiction bares a lot of the responsibility for how Anne is seen today. When novels like 'The Other Boleyn Girl','Wolf Hall' and 'Bring up the Bodies', continue to portray Clarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-30746375377279463102013-03-04T22:23:01.817+00:002013-03-04T22:23:01.817+00:00Thanks, Susan. I really don't understand the w...Thanks, Susan. I really don't understand the whole extreme thinking when it comes to Anne. If you challenge some theories about Anne you're seen as idolizing her, which is crazy, and then when you disagree with someone you're seen as "bashing". It's like the whole team thinking, that you have to pick sides. Mad!<br /><br />I am grateful to Chapuys for his multitude of Claire Ridgwayhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-64636500300723468172013-03-03T15:32:01.251+00:002013-03-03T15:32:01.251+00:00Absolutely, Susan. I wrote my undergraduate disser...Absolutely, Susan. I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on the cultural presentations of Marie-Antoinette from the 1790s onward and how she has achieved the posthumous reputation(s) she has today. It was fascinating but certainly frustrating to see someone extremely discreditable sources being used for both pro- and anti-Marie-Antoinette tropes. I think one of the things that was so great about Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-68667076804532359692013-03-03T12:12:44.757+00:002013-03-03T12:12:44.757+00:00Thanks Gareth, for the wonderful review, and to bo...Thanks Gareth, for the wonderful review, and to both you and Claire for understanding that it's possible to write about Anne Boleyn without either being hostile to her or idolizing her. It's really fascinating that even today, people still persist in going to extremes, just as they did in her lifetime and in the centuries after. And too often, people still take their "positions"Susan Bordohttp://www.thecreationofanneboleyn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-35046988610989706222013-03-01T15:35:25.229+00:002013-03-01T15:35:25.229+00:00Yes, Susan really reached out to blogs and authors...Yes, Susan really reached out to blogs and authors in regards to how Anne Boleyn is perceived today by the online community and by readers.Claire Ridgwayhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-18000137741124982472013-03-01T15:01:14.705+00:002013-03-01T15:01:14.705+00:00Anonymous, apologies. I accidentally deleted your ...Anonymous, apologies. I accidentally deleted your last comment. The one where you referred to King Richard III as "richard 3." If you want to post it again and leave your name, I'm sure I could re-post it. Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-73775618150413199542013-03-01T14:55:43.186+00:002013-03-01T14:55:43.186+00:00Thanks, Claire. It's a fantastic book; I can&#...Thanks, Claire. It's a fantastic book; I can't tell you how much I enjoyed it. It also mentions your website and books, and those of people like Lara Eakins, Sylwia Zupanec, "On the Tudor Trail," etc., to talk about the impact that the internet has made on Tudor history. It's a superb read!Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-34378497176364054742013-03-01T14:49:59.374+00:002013-03-01T14:49:59.374+00:00"Very interesting so any one who tries to be ..."Very interesting so any one who tries to be critical Anne Boylen is bad, and that she is the most important and interesting i wonder how many. Well i guess people have become real idol worshippers of the dead."<br /><br />Where has Gareth said that?<br /><br />Gareth, a great review of what sounds like an incredibly interesting book, I can't wait to read Susan's book after Claire Ridgwayhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-54954602370126399162013-03-01T14:32:11.768+00:002013-03-01T14:32:11.768+00:00I wasn't "bashing" them. I was rebut...I wasn't "bashing" them. I was rebutting your inaccurate, silly and anonymous comments, which by your own admission were made on nothing more than a "little" research. There's a substantial difference. Just as there is between disagreeing with someone and "bashing" them. Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-62780340390097297022013-03-01T14:20:15.571+00:002013-03-01T14:20:15.571+00:00I have done a little research and the more read an...I have done a little research and the more read and research about some of these writers, my conclusion is what i mentioned before. Since you talk of someone been sympathetic to a historical character, then i hope you too will respect how other people feel about their historical figures. Instead of bashing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-13054379991720463742013-03-01T13:35:39.968+00:002013-03-01T13:35:39.968+00:00Then you certainly haven't understood it. You ...Then you certainly haven't understood it. You do understand that it's possible for someone to be sympathetic to their subject without being labelled a "fan"? If you read the book, rather than huffing and stropping on my blog, you could see that it's about why people are hostile to Anne or sympathetic. That is made quite clear both in my review and in the book. If you Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-68558245442510145032013-03-01T13:27:25.646+00:002013-03-01T13:27:25.646+00:00I have understood this review and like i said any ...I have understood this review and like i said any one who is critical of Anne is attacked by her devoted fans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-28253546061958032052013-02-28T18:49:52.445+00:002013-02-28T18:49:52.445+00:00No. I'm afraid you haven't understood this...No. I'm afraid you haven't understood this review, at all. <br /><br />Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-81460480702954663742013-02-28T13:31:44.104+00:002013-02-28T13:31:44.104+00:00Very interesting so any one who tries to be critic...Very interesting so any one who tries to be critical Anne Boylen is bad, and that she is the most important and interesting i wonder how many. Well i guess people have become real idol worshippers of the dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3354677738876576370.post-57269688330087106102013-02-26T15:40:44.102+00:002013-02-26T15:40:44.102+00:00This looks like a great book to read! Very excitin...This looks like a great book to read! Very exciting. I see Lacey Baldwin Smith's new biography of Anne is coming out next month - apparently he's discovered alternative evidence and put forward a new theory for Anne's fall which sounds very thrilling.<br /><br />I totally agree with you about Natalie Dormer, Gareth, and her love of Anne Boleyn is fantastic. But don't you wish the Conorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815745211426638820noreply@blogger.com